Need an Answer From the Breeding Gurus!

[SunshineAcres]

I have heard that people are putting draft blood into their AQHA's to beef up the breed. How is that possible? Is it due to AQHA allowing APHA/AQHA double registry? Are they doing it on the paint side then registering AQHA?

[Lonestarchickypoo]

aqha doesnt register anything thats not pure aqha blood they only except appendix cross is the only with a TB horse for whatever reason its always been that way I guess... and the appendix get different set of papers the color is different or somethign it was atleast... an appendix must get 10pts aqha shows inorder to get regular registry paper work

as for the dual registrations.. aqha does not register APHA horses its the other way around.. if you have a foal that is by two aqha registered horses and it has excessive white it maybe eligable through apha to get BS papers from APHA association...

I know they do cross the drafts with paints to get the SPotted sport horses for dressage and jumping... and they do that for aqha and tb draft crosses also.. ...

[Lonestarchickypoo]

If the sire or dam of the foal is a reg. paint, but had QH parents, the AQHA would allow registration of the foal IF parentage of the (grandparents) was verified. The color of the sire/dam was irrelevant. this is right from aqha... so that would be the only way for dual registration.. not sure on the paint end even if they have overo markings.. they would still register them as BS bc of the parentage not being paint ...I could be wrong on that.. im not up to date on the whole paint thing... as I have mostly aqha... hope this helps.. there is also. though a HALF quarter horse registry which will take any cross with an aqha parent..

[eastowest]

>>>>> I have heard that people are putting draft blood into their AQHA's to beef up the breed. How is that possible? Is it due to AQHA allowing APHA/AQHA double registry? Are they doing it on the paint side then registering AQHA?

Its not possible, at least "legally". Neither the AQHA nor the APHA allow crossing out to drafts. AQHA allows Thoroughbred blood, and besides registered APHA horses, APHA allows AQHA and Thoroughbred blood. Thats it.

When AQHA opened their registry to AQHA horses with paint/white markings, they did register some horses that were previously only registered APHA-- but these horses had to have 100% AQHA registered/approved parentage. AQHA also allowed some deceased horses to be registered-- again if their breeding was 100% AQHA eligible. So some additional horses were granted "double registration", and once an AQHA/APHA ancestor was established, other horses down the line might be AQHA eligible as well that previously were only APHA registered. But again, this would not be bringing in any draft crosses.

In current AQHA show-ring trends, I am actually seeing/hearing the opposite-- leaner, more athletic less bulky horses being bred for, and winning-- even occasionally in a halter class.

[chambe94]

Perhaps they were refereing back to when QH's where first being created? There were a lot of drafts ued back then to create the breed.

[stolzml]

The only way i can think to legally add draft blood is to concentrate the lines that are KNOWN to originate from draft blood, ie Hancock lines (Joe Hancock's dam was a Perchron).

[Lonestarchickypoo]

anyone get there americas horse lately.. I just got mine int he mail and I have to say this whole thing on CLONES.. is just wrong.. they are saying they wont register aqha clone horses right now. but they put a vote into amend rule 227(a) to allow them to be.. WHAT heres the thing.. they are saying if you take a clone say of Mr Yella Fella.. and you clone him.. and that colt grows up they breed him.. that resulting foal will have the EXACT same strand of DNA from the clone as it would if Yella fella sired it himself.. SOOOOOOOOOOO heres where it gets tricky... they cant tell if it would be from the host or the clone.. only way would be to look at the mares line which that test will cost MORE.. bc the mare gives that cloned offspring a different mitochondria strand then the original would have!... I for one am totally against this... horses come and go they shouldnt be allowed to clone a d**n thing!..

[Lonestarchickypoo]

sorry not to get off the subject... or anything but I just read it..

[quarterchic]

I agree with you lonestarchickypoo. I love my old QH and would clone him in a minute if I had the funds, but I don't feel they should be registerable. Because of the sticky situations you listed.

[lilysladyluck]

There is a trend now (finally) to get away from that big bodied small legged horse of the past. They are finally realizing the devestating effects of breeding these horses and infusions of more traditional foundation blood are becoming the new standard.

And yes, there are people breeding quarters and drafts but they are NOT eligible with registry with AQHA. Possibly in the "half quarter" registry, but no way through AQHA. And the half quarter registry was started by folks that had appendix bred quarters who wanted to breed them without getting their ROM. It is the registry I would use if I had decided to breed tot he gorgeous appendix stallion I found because my mares are appendix and I am not paying a fortune to try to get their ROM here in MI.

[Lonestarchickypoo]

I think they should if they let the clones be registered that they would not beable to breed them clones they should have to be spayed or gelded to be eligable..