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Post by jolleyrancher2012 on Jun 23, 2009 12:01:39 GMT -5
This year at fair I am planning on being in every class...
What type of breeches do you prefer and what type of jacket would you get for english pleasure.. i don't really know much about english..
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Post by lilysladyluck on Jun 23, 2009 16:07:37 GMT -5
are you going saddleseat, is that what your fair calls english pleasure? Most English classes are done hunt seat unless you are riding a saddleseat horse and riding saddleseat, or you opt to ride in training level dressage attire and tack.
I haven't bought breeches in years so can't tell you what brand is preferable. But tan is always an acceptable color. As far as jacket, well as I said that is dependent upon your style and saddle. Saddleseat, the jacket and pants must match (same color/cloth). A nice black or navy hunt seat jacket or dark green is always a sure bet.
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Post by crzyhorselover09 on Jun 23, 2009 16:24:03 GMT -5
I notice most english/hunter wears tan breeches, with hunter green or navy jacket. with white or cream blouse underneath it. I am not a english rider but at barn I am with there are some that do i just notice their outfits. Good luck showing!!
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Post by BarebackJumper on Jun 24, 2009 2:03:39 GMT -5
At our fair english is just english not hunt seat. Whats the difference? I have a pair of tan breeches, a black jacket and a white undershirt. Now, I got the undershirt before fancy colors became popular.
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Post by lilysladyluck on Jun 24, 2009 7:59:49 GMT -5
Just "english" means that you can show in any of the three attires. Hunt seat, saddleseat, or dressage apparel and tack in a combined class. The majority of which will show in hunt seat as that is the most common seat ridden for 4-H.
BBJ sounds like you are describing a hunt seat oufit, or a training level dressage acceptable outfit. For dressage, white breeches are not required until at a level higher than what 4-H offers. Conservative color jackets are the jacket requirement and can include gray, black, navy and dark green.
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Post by BarebackJumper on Jun 24, 2009 13:05:05 GMT -5
WOW I thought with hunt seat you needed a flat bridle? Most people rode with whatever they had and pretty much everyone has a black coat, that or navy was what was required then. There is english pleasure, equitation and bareback. We have a seperate saddleseat class. I am so confused about all this! I also rode in an all purpose saddle. Is that ok? AS for the training level dressage comment, dont those coats have long tails?
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Post by lilysladyluck on Jun 24, 2009 14:21:08 GMT -5
ENGLISH APPOINTMENTS
APPOINTMENTS OF HORSE (ENGLISH SADDLE SEAT) – A flat
English-type saddle is required. Unconventional saddles
combining characteristics of English and western styles are
prohibited.
Full bridles are preferred for equitation and pleasure, but
pelhams are permitted. Any curb strap or chain should be
adjusted so that approximately two fingers can be inserted
between it and the horse’s chin. No martingales or tiedowns
are allowed. Four reins on the bridle are required and no
converters are permitted. Kimberwicks are not permitted in
saddle seat classes. When using pelham bridles, the shank of
the bit should be 4 inches or more in length. Tennessee walking
horses may be shown in a walking horse bit with a single
rein. No braiding of forelocks, manes or tails – with the
exception of saddle-type horses or ponies with show ribbons
– is permitted in saddle seat classes.
APPOINTMENTS OF RIDER (ENGLISH SADDLE SEAT) – Basic
appointments of riders for this section are the same as for the
Fitting and Showing: English Saddle Seat section (see pg. 4).
APPOINTMENTS OF HORSE (ENGLISH HUNTER SEAT) – Wraps
or protective boots are allowed only in classes over fences. A
hunting saddle of the English forward seat type is required.
Unconventional saddles combining characteristics of English
and western styles are prohibited.
Regulation snaffles, pelhams, kimberwicks and full bridles,
all with leather browbands and cavesson nosebands, are
required. Martingales are prohibited in all classes on the flat
but are permitted in classes over fences. Stirrup pads are
suggested. Split reins are not permitted. Unconventional and
wire bits and nosebands may be penalized at the judge’s
discretion.
APPOINTMENTS OF RIDER (ENGLISH HUNTER SEAT) – Basic
appointments of riders for this section are the same as for the
Fitting and Showing: English Hunter Seat section (see pg. 4).
Protective headgear is required (see General Rule 3 on pg. 1).
Spurs without rowels, crop, bat and gloves are optional. Gloves
are preferred for equitation.
APPOINTMENTS OF HORSE AND RIDER (GAITED HORSES) –
Horses and riders should be outfitted in accordance with the
rules of their breed; however, no artificial devices to enhance
a horse’s gait, other than standard horse shoes, are permitted.
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Post by lilysladyluck on Jun 24, 2009 14:23:43 GMT -5
APPOINTMENTS OF EXHIBITOR – Exhibitor appointments must
be clean and neat. Appointments for the various sections
follow.
• Western – Exhibitor must wear a western hat or protective
headgear, western boots (fashion heels are prohibited), a
long-sleeved shirt with a collar (including standup, tuxedo,
oxford, button-down, turtleneck and mock turtleneck) and
long pants. If the pants have belt loops, a belt must be worn.
One-piece equitation suits are permissible. A tie, pin, choker,
necklace or scarf is required for open-collared shirts. Gloves
are optional.
• English Saddle Seat – Exhibitors must wear jackets in conservative
colors such as black, blue, grey or brown. Pleasure
class exhibitors may wear day coats. Clothing must include
Kentucky jodhpurs that match or coordinate with the jacket;
a tie; a derby, soft hat or protective headgear; and jodhpur
boots. Unroweled spurs, whips, gloves and small boutonnieres
are optional. Formal evening wear is inappropriate for daytime
4-H shows.
• English Hunter Seat – Entrants must wear hunt-style jackets
or blazers in conservative colors (including but not limited to
black, blue, hunter green, brown). Riding breeches and hunt
boots, or jodhpurs with garters or legging straps and jodhpur
boots, are required. Recommended colors for jodhpurs include
canary, tan, rust, grey or olive. Hunt caps are required. Regular
ties or stock ties and stock pins are acceptable.
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Post by lilysladyluck on Jun 24, 2009 14:26:08 GMT -5
Dressage Division
APPOINTMENTS OF HORSE – Rider must use a plain snaffle
bit and English snaffle bridle with cavesson, flash, figureeight
or dropped noseband. Any English saddle is permitted.
No boots or bandages are allowed. Martingales and side reins,
or running reins, are prohibited. Whips measuring 4 feet or
less (including the lash) are allowed. Only blunt English spurs
are allowed.
APPOINTMENTS OF RIDER – A derby, hunt cap or other
protective headgear is required; however, headgear should be
appropriate to the riding style. ASTM-SEI approved helmets
are acceptable for any riding style. A choker or pin for girls
and a tie for boys are acceptable. White stock ties and stock
pins are also correct for both boys and girls. A dark hunt coat
with white, canary, grey or light tan breeches and black boots
is acceptable. A conservative saddle suit and jodhpur boots
are also acceptable.
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Post by standardgal on Jun 25, 2009 8:50:09 GMT -5
WOW! That's a wealth of info! LOL! I've always gone with just beige colored breeches, a navy blue hunt coat, and a white or light blue shirt with stock pin (conservative). Sometimes wearing the "new" colors doesn't always do so well in the crowd.
SG
P.S. How's my girl doing Steph?
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Post by lilysladyluck on Jun 25, 2009 11:04:25 GMT -5
That is just one pg of the rulebook! LOL
Most Fairs use 4-H rules unless they specify otherwise. You can get a copy of the rules free online for most associations, or pay a small fee for an actual written copy.
SG Yuor girl is doing great. They adore her. Debbie rides 4-5 times a week and September is loving it.
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Post by standardgal on Jul 1, 2009 19:58:48 GMT -5
I'm so happy to hear that! Everyone asks me at the barn how she is. I just say "well I haven't heard anything, so I am betting she's doing fine". LOL. I'm SO happy it worked out so well!
SG
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Post by lilysladyluck on Jul 2, 2009 9:41:29 GMT -5
Yep, she just got her feet done, and all is well. Except she seems to miss being near geldings a bit too much, lol. She came into instant heat when she got here to get trimmed and we had to let her get done squirting the big ones and avoid the others....Brent said he had to make sure he didn't smell like another female when he went home to his wife! Even if she was 4 legged. Other than that, she has been an absolute doll.
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